Date: 2010-06-22 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-hate-music.livejournal.com
funny how "rote kraut" is neither Dutch nor German...

Date: 2010-06-22 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hydrolagus.livejournal.com
Dutch doesn't figure into it. The "Dutch" in Pennsylvania Dutch is related to Deutsch--the German word for German, not to Holland. Rote is red, as in the red cabbage used; kraut is plant, most likely cabbage as in sauerkraut.

Date: 2010-06-22 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-hate-music.livejournal.com
I know German but it's not correct German, at least no German German, that's what I meant.

Date: 2010-06-23 02:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] noforcenosound.livejournal.com
Pennsylvania Dutch is a language in its own right, related to German but not the same thing. It's rather like English and Creole.

Date: 2010-06-23 05:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-hate-music.livejournal.com
Excuse my ignorant mind. Im a language geek but probably a bit too limited in my thinking. All I thought was "OMG WRONG GRAMMAR! In Dutch AND German!**!" ...

Date: 2010-06-23 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alagbon.livejournal.com
Es iss Pennsilfaanisch Deitsch (http://pdc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsilfaanisch_Deitsch)!

Date: 2010-06-23 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alagbon.livejournal.com
It is indeed. I don't really have any roots in this area but the distinct language and culture fascinates me.

Date: 2010-06-23 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] i-hate-music.livejournal.com
It looks a bit like Swiss German to me......

Date: 2010-06-23 06:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alagbon.livejournal.com
A fair amount of the earliest German-speaking settlers around here were from Switzerland, although most were from the Palatinate. I've never heard anyone speak actual Palatinate dialect; but I've spent time in Switzerland and there's definitely a resemblance to Schweitzerdeutsch.

Date: 2010-06-25 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] helflaed.livejournal.com
My husband is from the Palatinate, and I can understand the dialect reasonably well- probably better than a lot of native German speakers, who find it utterly incomprehansible. I've tried to listen to Schweitzerdeutsch and find it extremely hard to understand anything.

Having listened to a few recordings of Pennsylvania Dutch being spoken, I found that I could understand a resonable amount. My husband would understand more and he'd certainly be able to have a pretty reasonable conversation.

Date: 2010-06-25 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alagbon.livejournal.com
Since the only non-standard German dialect that I'm at all familiar with is Swiss, I'm probably seeing more of a closeness than there actually is...

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