[identity profile] i-hate-music.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
funny how "rote kraut" is neither Dutch nor German...

[identity profile] hydrolagus.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Dutch doesn't figure into it. The "Dutch" in Pennsylvania Dutch is related to Deutsch--the German word for German, not to Holland. Rote is red, as in the red cabbage used; kraut is plant, most likely cabbage as in sauerkraut.

[identity profile] outsdr.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I love cabbage raw, but I've never cared for coleslaw. The sweet & sour cabbage looks interesting.

[identity profile] i-hate-music.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I know German but it's not correct German, at least no German German, that's what I meant.

[identity profile] jackierhoffman.livejournal.com 2010-06-22 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm from Lancaster County and I love all these recipes! I grew up with stuff like this! I actually have a WONDERFUL cookbook with these recipes and more called the "Pennsylvania Dutch Cookbook" which is recipes from the Mennonite Community.
bradygirl_12: (peppers_tomatoes_pasta)

[personal profile] bradygirl_12 2010-06-22 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, I've got a cookbook like this somewhere around here. We picked it up on vacation in Pennsylvania Dutch country years ago. :)

[identity profile] leatherfemme.livejournal.com 2010-06-23 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
Close, but not quite. Guess it was one of those family recipes. Ah well, I do believe some experimentation is in order.

[identity profile] leatherfemme.livejournal.com 2010-06-23 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Oh and where are my manners...

Thanks!

[identity profile] momflower.livejournal.com 2010-06-23 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
I live in South Jersey, and Lancaster is my favorite place in the world! My dream would be to live there, and I, too, grew up on these wonderful dishes! Oooh, you're so lucky! :)

[identity profile] noforcenosound.livejournal.com 2010-06-23 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
Pennsylvania Dutch is a language in its own right, related to German but not the same thing. It's rather like English and Creole.

[identity profile] sovereignann.livejournal.com 2010-06-23 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
That first one is how I make my red cabbage (minus the pressure cooker, just cover it and cook it longer)---OMG so delicious. I love it in the wintertime. mmmmmmmmmmmmmm I know it's not cool but bacon grease adds so much! I have a little jar in my fridge. But for this recipe I actually cook three strips of bacon up and use that grease and then chop up the bacon and add it to the mix.

These are really Cool recipes Charisma - A Must try them out Post :)

[identity profile] wolframravenpoe.livejournal.com 2010-06-23 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
What's A Cabbage :)

Ah! I love these recipes of the Past, and I am learning so much about the Cooking equipment of the Past days of Nastoca as well, I bet if someone posted just Images of Nostalgia and not Explanation of it, 80 percent of these Kids would have no clue as to their Functions Minus stating their Object title, Post an old Corn Scraper, or even a Flour Sifter and I bet we would have a Million Laughs as they tried to figure their proper uses out. "~

Pavot

[identity profile] alagbon.livejournal.com 2010-06-23 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
Es iss Pennsilfaanisch Deitsch (http://pdc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsilfaanisch_Deitsch)!

[identity profile] i-hate-music.livejournal.com 2010-06-23 05:33 am (UTC)(link)
fascinating stuff :D

[identity profile] i-hate-music.livejournal.com 2010-06-23 05:34 am (UTC)(link)
Excuse my ignorant mind. Im a language geek but probably a bit too limited in my thinking. All I thought was "OMG WRONG GRAMMAR! In Dutch AND German!**!" ...

[identity profile] i-hate-music.livejournal.com 2010-06-23 05:35 am (UTC)(link)
It looks a bit like Swiss German to me......

[identity profile] alagbon.livejournal.com 2010-06-23 06:42 am (UTC)(link)
It is indeed. I don't really have any roots in this area but the distinct language and culture fascinates me.

[identity profile] alagbon.livejournal.com 2010-06-23 06:47 am (UTC)(link)
A fair amount of the earliest German-speaking settlers around here were from Switzerland, although most were from the Palatinate. I've never heard anyone speak actual Palatinate dialect; but I've spent time in Switzerland and there's definitely a resemblance to Schweitzerdeutsch.

[identity profile] helflaed.livejournal.com 2010-06-25 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
My husband is from the Palatinate, and I can understand the dialect reasonably well- probably better than a lot of native German speakers, who find it utterly incomprehansible. I've tried to listen to Schweitzerdeutsch and find it extremely hard to understand anything.

Having listened to a few recordings of Pennsylvania Dutch being spoken, I found that I could understand a resonable amount. My husband would understand more and he'd certainly be able to have a pretty reasonable conversation.

[identity profile] alagbon.livejournal.com 2010-06-25 03:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Since the only non-standard German dialect that I'm at all familiar with is Swiss, I'm probably seeing more of a closeness than there actually is...